Marvin Kimble: I’m Marvin.

Burr Cook: I’m Burr.

Marvin Kimble: And this is the Balboa Horizons podcast. Today we have Burr Cook here, and we’re talking about questions that we get from family members when they hear of rapid detox. Burr, what are your thoughts on rapid detox? Is it successful?

Burr Cook: Well, Robert Detox can be successful. It’s a detox protocol, and there’s a couple different types of rapid detox. Does it work? Sure. People can be detoxed quickly, but remember detoxes, only the very beginning of a treatment episode in which somebody gets past the uncomfortable part of coming off their drugs of choice, so it’s not a substitute for treatment, and it’s really kind of indicative of the mindset of addicts in that they’re looking for quick fixes. They’re also looking to circumvent the pain of early sobriety.

Burr Cook: There are problems with that because the reality is, is early sobriety is going to be painful to some extent, and the only way to completely alleviate that pain would be to drug somebody up beyond what is appropriate. Some of the these things like rapid detox and so forth are just another way for addicts to not feel pain, and the reality is, is you’re going to feel some sort of pain in early recovery. We can support somebody pharmacologically, but it is going to be uncomfortable. The quick fixes never work. So, a rapid detox on its own just leaves a person completely exposed to wanting to get high.

Marvin Kimble: I’ve heard horror stories of people being put under anesthesia for a numerous amount of days and then waking up and not having any kind of withdrawal process.

Burr Cook: Well, there is a withdrawal process. Again, they may miss out on some of the acute withdrawals, but for many of these drugs that they’re withdrawing from, opiates is a great example. They are still going to have post-acute withdrawal symptoms. Sometimes somebody going in for a rapid detox is setting themselves up to believe this isn’t going to be bad, and yet they’re going to be experiencing, for a couple weeks, some untoward symptoms, particularly anxiety, restlessness, irritability. They’re going to have some insomnia. There’s no way around that except to drug somebody up, and then if we do that, then they’re not really withdrawing.

Marvin Kimble: Nowadays, it seems like all the rage is Tide Pods. I mean, kids are eating them left and right. What do you think about the people using drugs? Are they using it to escape something in their life?

Burr Cook: People use drugs for the same reason. It’s to change the way they feel. Some of these new things we’re seeing with kids, it’s just another way to change the way they feel. Remember, it’s not so much escaping, as much as it is recreating what they’ve already been exposed to. Kids eat a lot of sugar. That changes the way they feel. They are involved in lots of activities that provide instant gratification. Video games for instance, and so this instant reward, this instant gratification, is something that they’re wired for. Trying these new drugs is just one more way to get gratification and reward quickly. It’s a setup for entrenching addiction and, you know, part of what we do here at Balboa is clients are rewarded through some of the activities that we have, but they have to work for it. That’s the way it was meant to happen.

Marvin Kimble: I mean, that’s the way life is.

Burr Cook: Yeah. Winning a baseball game takes a couple hours, so we worked for that reward. Young people today are changing the way they feel in three seconds. If we kind of extend that into the rest of their life, they’re going to be in a lot of trouble because it’s not reality.

Marvin Kimble: In speaking of that, LegitScript just announced yesterday that it has approved 100 treatment centers to advertise on Google. If you don’t know, for folks out there, Google shut down advertising it for all addiction treatment centers because of body brokering. I’m proud to say that Balboa Horizons has never done that, and we are part of these 100 treatment centers that are getting approved to do so. I bring this up though. It’s because body brokering is so rampant in our industry. How can parents navigate the recovery landscape and choose an ethical, reputable center to send their kid to?

Burr Cook: I think parents need to find a professional that they trust. Somebody who’s licensed. Somebody who follows the code of ethics. Understands the harm that body brokering, patient brokering can do. Quite often, clients end up in treatment centers that are inappropriate for them, because the only motivation for going there was somebody was getting some money, rather than it being vetted as clinically appropriate for them. So, what parents can do is find a professional that they trust, they work with. This could be a therapist, a counselor, or just admissions people at a good treatment center, and have them help do a thorough assessment, then get into a place that’s appropriate for them. Clients and their families are so vulnerable, and it’s unfortunate that people are taking advantage of them are like this. But, there are some great professionals out there, very ethical professionals.

Burr Cook: If someone were to call Balboa Horizons, for instance, if they were not appropriate for this treatment center, we would give them some referrals to an appropriate. So, it’s finding those places. Some of the things you want to look for is, is there staff licensed and credentialed? We have codes of ethics we need to follow. Another thing you want to look for is, is it JCAHO accredited? Do they have the highest accreditation possible to get? That means they’re operating at high standards, not minimum standards. Balboa Horizons is a member of the Trusted Provider Network.

Burr Cook: That means we’ve been vetted by professionals as being a treatment center that does follow a code of ethics, that does things the right way. We put a lot of energy and time into getting the word out there that we are somebody you can trust. Once somebody’s been with us for a couple of weeks, of course, they know they can trust us, because they’ve worked with us. But for those people that are looking for a place, you don’t want to just go on a website because anybody can make a nice website, and there are some bad actors out there. Find a professional you can trust, and get an appropriate referral from somebody who’s credentialed.

Marvin Kimble: Yeah. It’s so important to get that professional to do those assessments, to make sure that the person’s even appropriate for the program because so many people aren’t doing that these days. Burr, I don’t want to take up too much more of your time. I want to thank you for coming out. That’s all we have for today on the Balboa Horizon podcasts. I’m Marvin.

Burr Cook: I’m Burr.